1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,600 This program is about unsolved mysteries. Whenever possible, the actual family members 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,680 and police officials have participated in recreating the events. What you are about 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,880 to see is not a news broadcast. 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:26,480 December 12, 1985. A chartered plane went down in flames outside Gander, Newfoundland, 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,920 Canada, killing 248 American soldiers. Officially the crash was ruled an accident caused by 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,000 ice on the wings, but eyewitnesses tell of intense fires that could not be extinguished 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,360 and a mysterious cache of weapons recovered from the wreckage. The young GIs have fallen 8 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,880 victim to a terrorist bomb. 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:52,560 As a child, Peggy Lloyd was haunted by the elusive vision of a brother she barely remembered. 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:58,080 Only the discovery of an old snapshot launched Peggy on a determined quest for answers. Perhaps 11 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,960 you can help end her search for her long lost brother. 12 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,600 The terrible tragedy in Waco, Texas has focused the nation's attention on the scattering of 13 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:13,120 religious cults across the United States. In one cult unrelated to the Branch Davidi 14 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:20,360 insect, Nelson DeCloud was seen as a dynamic, charismatic messenger of God by his followers. 15 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,840 However, according to one member who fled the cult, DeCloud used his position to demand 16 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,160 sexual favors from some of the women in his congregation. 17 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:35,320 Also tonight, a moving and joyous update. Thanks to our broadcast, two childhood friends 18 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:42,080 separated for more than 30 years and been reunited. Join me for these fascinating stories of tonight's 19 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,560 unsolved mysteries. 20 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Music 21 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,920 These men were members of the elite 101st Airborne Unit of the United States Army. 22 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:54,520 On December 12th, 1985, they were among 248 young soldiers cut down in their prime. 23 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,720 All killed instantly when their transport plane crashed in Gander, Newfoundland. 24 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,080 It was the worst single-air disaster in US military history. Officially, the crash was 25 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,800 written off to ice on the plane's wings. But many of the young men's families, as well as 26 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,840 several key investigators, believe that the true cause of the Gander tragedy remains an unsolved mystery. 27 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,280 Music 28 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:27,240 On December 11th, 1985, the 101st Airborne left Cairo, Egypt on a chartered air-aware DC-8, 29 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,960 much like this one. They were going home to Fort Campbell, Kentucky, after a six-month 30 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,480 peacekeeping mission in Asinai. Following one stop in Germany, they landed for refueling at the 31 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:45,400 Gander, Newfoundland airport in Canada. An hour later, just after takeoff, tragedy struck. 32 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Music 33 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,680 The DC-8 crashed less than three miles from the Gander control tower, killing everyone on board. 34 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,720 The wreckage was scattered over an area 1,300 feet long and 130 feet wide. 35 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,040 Almost immediately, a man purporting to represent the terrorist organization, 36 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,160 Islamic Jihad, telephoned a US consulate in Algeria to claim responsibility. 37 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,280 Music 38 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,440 Nevertheless, US Army officials, who arrived in Gander within hours, 39 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,720 quickly discounted the possibility of terrorist involvement. 40 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Later, a Canadian board of inquiry stated that ice on the plane's wings had brought it down. 41 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,480 However, four of the board's nine members publicly dissented, 42 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,960 insisting that ice did not cause the crash. 43 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Music 44 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:47,400 There was certainly some kind of an explosion, and a small explosion that disabled the control system 45 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:55,400 that led to the sequence of events that led to the disaster. But what caused that explosion, 46 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,200 whether it was sabotage or whether it was the accidental detonation of some kind of military 47 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:07,640 equipment that was carried down against regulations, we really don't have a better idea than we had in 1988. 48 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,640 Music 49 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,640 The dissenters were particularly disturbed by the pulverized state of the wreckage. 50 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,640 Usually in a takeoff crash, large sections of the plane remain intact, and many passengers survive. 51 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,320 A normal kind of takeoff accident can be quite serious and can involve a fire, 52 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 but basically the aircraft isn't completely destroyed. 53 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Usually, you don't have a huge explosion because when the tanks are full, 54 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,640 it doesn't give the fuel a chance to mix with oxygen like you need for an explosion. 55 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,120 Music 56 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,800 You get an explosion when the aircraft crashes with partial tanks, 57 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,200 and takeoff accidents are usually survivable. 58 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,640 The U.S. government claimed there was no evidence that an onboard explosion had caused the crash. 59 00:05:56,280 --> 00:06:01,320 They steadfastly denied that either explosives or ammunition had been carried as cargo. 60 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,160 Eyewitness reports from the Cairo Airport, however, cast doubt on the government's position. 61 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,680 The 101st Airborne waited for eight hours while they were transferred to a larger plane. 62 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,520 In the process, the duffel bags of 41 soldiers were left behind on the tarmac to make room 63 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:25,080 for several large wooden boxes. Many believe the boxes contain some type of classified weapons. 64 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:33,160 At the Gander crash site, one of the rescue workers, Harvey Day, says he saw five wooden boxes. 65 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,560 Sir, that's as far as you can go. 66 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,760 I decided to walk down to see what was in this area. I got about 10 feet from it, 67 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,640 and this military guy walked up towards me and said, you better go back. 68 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,920 But I stopped and looked, and I saw what people were beginning to say didn't exist. 69 00:06:53,560 --> 00:07:00,520 I saw five large wooden boxes. They were black, a bit burnt from the fire, and I saw herms, 70 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:07,880 rifles, and I saw things like missiles and little metal boxes. They looked like ammunition boxes, 71 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:12,680 and it was all piled up very neatly into this cordonoff area. 72 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,520 Sir, I can't answer that. This is military business. You do not need to do any of that at all. 73 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,120 No, no, no. I just want to see what's in there. 74 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Sir, you don't have to see anything. This is official military business. If you don't leave, 75 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,200 I'll have you removed by force from the premises. Now just go on. 76 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,840 In addition, Day recalls one unusual hotspot resulting from the crash. 77 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,840 There were two firefighters, and they had to continue stream of water onto this pile, 78 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,560 and I thought it very peculiar, and I walked over to one chap and I asked, 79 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,480 what's going on, eh? Keep flaring up. We're going to have to keep pouring water on it. 80 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:46,840 Is that bad? 81 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,360 The men who took the waterway is flared back up again, and so we got to do this. He said, 82 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,480 tell me, it burns out, he said it cools down to the point where we can remove what's there. 83 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:06,120 Within weeks, Harvey Day and several other rescue workers began to complain of health problems. 84 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,920 To some, the symptoms sounded suspiciously like radiation poisoning. 85 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:18,040 I think we hit over 30 who described some type of malady or sickness as a result of the crash, 86 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,560 and they ranged from liver problems to what people thought were heart attacks, 87 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:30,680 and just general illnesses, and this is what was checked out, and it got to be rather scary. 88 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,960 According to one unnamed source, the United States government allegedly sealed 89 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:42,120 its crash investigation records for a period of 70 years. However, several government agencies, 90 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,440 including the Department of Defense and the National Transportation Safety Board, 91 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,680 deny that any such records exist. 92 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:59,160 We know that the files on the Gander incident would not be sealed for 70 years 93 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:07,720 if it were simply ice. We know that there had to be something very, very politically embarrassing 94 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:14,760 that could have been very harmful to the Reagan administration that had to be covered up. 95 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:23,720 As one family member put it, she wants to know if her family member died protecting this country, 96 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,480 or if he died because our government was protecting itself. 97 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,400 In the early 1980s, the United States government had begun illegally selling arms to Iran in a 98 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:41,640 covert and Byzantine operation now known as Iran Contra. The operation, ostensibly aimed 99 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,360 at freeing American hostages in the Middle East, was apparently in jeopardy at the time of the 100 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:55,080 Gander crash. Just a few days before the crash, Colonel Oliver North warned in at least two 101 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:02,200 separate memos that the United States, wrist, quote, a renewed wave of terrorism. A U.S. reversal now 102 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,280 could ignite Iranian fire. The hostages would be our minimum losses. 103 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:16,840 Whatever happened in Gander, I believe, would have either caused political embarrassment 104 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:25,800 or an international incident or both. And whatever the reason was for the cover-up in 1985 105 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:32,760 still exists today. U.S. government investigators did appear to be behaving strangely. 106 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,280 First off, the crash site was bulldozed within three months, a highly unusual practice. 107 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:45,240 The U.S. Army says it was done simply to discourage souvenir hunters. Secondly, 108 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:51,560 the remains of the plane were quickly disposed of, buried in a dump, again, highly unusual procedure. 109 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,760 As a rule, downed airplanes are virtually reassembled in order to study the crash. 110 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:04,600 One of the young men who lost his life at Gander was 23-year-old Sergeant James Douglas Phillips, 111 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:12,520 the only son of Dr. Douglas Phillips, a pathologist. Disillusioned by the official reports, Dr. Phillips 112 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:18,840 and his wife, Zona, formed an organization called Families for Truth About Gander. They requested 113 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,320 several scrap sections from the DCA and were surprised when the government sent them. 114 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:29,080 An expert, hired to analyze the scraps, claimed the outward puckered edges showed that a blast 115 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:38,040 had indeed occurred inside the plane. I think the airplane exploded in midair and then went down 116 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:46,120 and hit the ground with a gigantic fireball ensuing upon hitting when the fuel ignited. 117 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:52,120 But there's no doubt in my mind that there was a fire or an explosion while the plane 118 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:59,640 was still in flight. Dr. Phillips turned up one final chilling fact. 119 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:06,280 Autopsies revealed that many of the dead soldiers had a significant amount of carbon monoxide in their bodies. 120 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,680 The toxicology report showed that the victims had indeed breathed in 121 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:24,760 carbon monoxide prior to the plane hitting the ground and exploding. This had to be from a detonation, 122 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:33,960 a fire or explosion on board the craft. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is there are 123 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:42,600 people out there living ordinarily, ordinary day life, going about their business and their jobs 124 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:48,280 and they know what happened and they won't tell us and they won't help us. 125 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,120 In 1990, a congressional hearing on the gander disaster was convened in Washington, DC. 126 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,160 While the committee did criticize the government's lackluster post-crash investigation, 127 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:07,000 it stopped short of recommending a full-scale reinvestigation. The families of the dead men 128 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,440 are left to wonder why and how their sons, husbands and brothers really died. 129 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Next, a woman discovers that her long-lost father was a circus clown with a broken heart. 130 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:35,800 During the Second World War, more than 16 million American men and women were called upon to serve 131 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,720 the country. Inevitably, many families would not survive the stress of wartime separation. 132 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:48,680 28-year-old Lee Curley Lloyd was one of those whose marriage was a casualty of the war effort. 133 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,600 While Curley was in the service, his son and two daughters lived in Oroville, California, 134 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:04,360 with a woman who ran a boarding house for children. At the time, Peggy Lloyd was three years old, 135 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,160 her sister four, and their little brother, Arthur, two. 136 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,920 One day in 1944, Curley's wife arrived at the boarding house. She was accompanied by the man 137 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,280 she would marry when her divorce was final. Um, I've come here. I want to take my children. 138 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,800 Just the girls, though, not Arthur. Come on. Peggy and her sister went to live with her mother 139 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,040 and the man who was to become their stepfather. It's all right. Okay, let's go. 140 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Peggy's brother, Arthur, was left behind. 141 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,800 Peggy Lloyd grew up being told that her father had deserted the family, 142 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,920 and questions about her brother were ignored or brushed aside. 143 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:55,480 She began to wonder if Arthur had ever even existed until a quiet summer day in 1948. 144 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:07,800 I climbed up into the attic and crawled along, kind of looking at things, and in the back was a bunch of boxes. 145 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,640 So I was playing in this particular group of boxes, and I found this picture. 146 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:31,240 When I looked at the picture, I just, I knew that it was Arthur. 147 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,200 I wouldn't, I couldn't say that that was a memory. It was a feeling. It was like, 148 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,360 he looked like me. He was the right age. It just felt, I knew that it was Arthur. 149 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,600 Peggy. Yeah? What are you doing? Where have you been? 150 00:15:54,520 --> 00:16:02,200 Look, it's Arthur, my brother. Then that proves it. He's my brother. 151 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,480 She took the picture from me, and it went away. And I never saw the picture again, 152 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:14,360 and I still never got an answer. But of course, in my mind, I just knew. 153 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:21,320 And so I guess that I just grew up believing that wherever my father was, Arthur was. 154 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,800 Peggy's life at home grew increasingly difficult. At the age of nine, she was sent to the first 155 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:36,600 in a series of foster homes and boarding schools. She married in 1958 at age 17 and raised four 156 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,960 daughters of her own. Over the years, Peggy remained in contact with her mother, but never 157 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:48,600 learned anything more about her brother or father. I've been working on it for a whole year. 158 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:55,160 Finally in 1983, Peggy presented her mother with a picture filled genealogical chart, 159 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,680 as a way of once again bringing up the subject of Arthur and Curley. 160 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,040 The first one starts with 1879. Oh my. 161 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,160 You look way up here. Oh, look at me. I was an adult now, and she didn't have to be so afraid of 162 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,840 what I did. And perhaps she would give me that information and feel like enough time had passed 163 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:20,680 that she could do that. I forgot that one. But you know, mom, there is still something missing. 164 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:27,080 I still don't have any information about my own father. Peggy, don't start with me again, please. 165 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:32,520 We just want to know where he was born, mom. In the end, Peggy's mother relented and reluctantly 166 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,880 revealed Curley's birthplace. Thanks, mom. Lindsay Oklahoma. Thanks. 167 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Thanks. The next day I called there on the phone and I put an ad in their local weekly newspaper 168 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:54,760 asking if anybody knew his whereabouts or Arthur's. And it was from there that things began to happen. 169 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,080 The family secrets of nearly 40 years were unlocked with stunning speed. 170 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,120 Just nine days after placing the ad, Peggy received a letter from an aunt, 171 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:12,680 Velma Lloyd, who was married to Curley's brother. 172 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:19,720 Velma had included her phone number and Peggy immediately called her newly discovered relative. 173 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Hello. May I speak with Velma Lloyd, please? Hi, Velma. 174 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,200 While I was talking to her on the phone, I was like flipping through the rest of the letters. 175 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:40,360 And there I saw this one that had one of those return address stamps on it that said, 176 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,800 Curley and Q, Clown Alley, Spokane. 177 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:55,640 When I saw the letter from my dad, it was like I felt like my heart stopped. It was a mixture. 178 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:03,080 It was like I was really excited. I'm really emotional. I started crying, but I was really frightened. 179 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,080 I didn't know anything about my father. I thought, well, what if what he says in the 180 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:15,720 letters, I don't want anything to do with you? But of course, I just overcame that and I opened 181 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,960 the letter and the letter said, my beloved daughter, how thrilled I am to hear from you. 182 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,120 It was like, it's indescribable. 183 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,960 Peggy was surprised to learn that for many years, both before and after the war, 184 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,640 her father was a clown with Ringling Brothers and other smaller circuses. 185 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:42,280 In 1955, Curley had even performed within five miles of Peggy's home in Southern California, 186 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,880 but they would not see each other until Peggy's 43rd birthday in 1984. 187 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,200 This home video was shot at Peggy and Curley's long-awaited reunion in Spokane, Washington. 188 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,160 It was the first birthday Peggy had spent with her father since she was three years old. 189 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:11,080 Suddenly, I had a grandfather and aunts and uncles and cousins and just this whole world of family 190 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:17,000 and they just all acted like I'd been there my whole life. Like, they'd always been my family 191 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:24,360 and it's just a wonderful thing. The celebration was perfect in every way, but one. 192 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:31,000 Peggy's brother, Arthur, was not with the family. But finally, Peggy was able to learn what had 193 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,440 happened to Arthur since she last saw him in 1944. 194 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,800 For four years, Arthur had traveled with a circus, watching his father perform in towns 195 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,960 and cities across America. Curley had no idea where his ex-wife and his two daughters were living. 196 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,960 Hey, Prissy Monkey, you were real good in the show today. 197 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:12,040 At first, Curley believed that circus life would be rewarding for his young son. 198 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,720 Curley himself had joined the circus when he was nine and saw nothing wrong with their itinerant life. 199 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,600 His friends advised him otherwise. 200 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,760 The circus people told him that Arthur needed to be in school. Arthur needed a home, 201 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:35,800 stability, real parents, and a family that he could grow up with in one place and that the 202 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:41,320 circus life wasn't a good home for him. Curley, have you thought this out carefully? 203 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Yes, I have. After much soul searching, Curley reached a painful decision. He sought out a 204 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,680 Catholic priest in Logan, Utah, where the circus was performing in the fall of 1948. 205 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,960 All right, church can find him a home. I appreciate it. 206 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,760 Take care of yourself, okay? Thank you, Father. Let's thank you, Father. 207 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Thank you, Father. Arthur? 208 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,320 Hey, come here. Listen. 209 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Hey, I want you to take care of yourself, okay? All right, and this man here, he's going to take 210 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,840 care of you. Be good and remember everything that he told you, okay? All right? 211 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,800 Okay, you run along now. 212 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:43,240 Arthur was six years old when Curley gave him up for adoption. 213 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:48,120 Fifteen years later, Curley would receive two letters from his son, 214 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,960 but neither contained Arthur's adopted last name or his return address. 215 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,960 The letters have been mailed from Colorado Springs, Colorado. 216 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:04,760 I tried Colorado Springs. I didn't find anything there. I seemed to be at a loss, 217 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:12,680 and when my dad became really ill, it was like I have to find Arthur. I have to find him before 218 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:20,840 he dies. Hi. Hi, look at you. You're just a mess. Just a mess. How are you doing? 219 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,160 Curley and I had seven really wonderful years of friendship. 220 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,520 Piggy. Piggy, I... We became really good friends, and we talked about Arthur a lot. 221 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,880 He really felt really sad about it, and he felt really guilty about it. 222 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:49,160 I've only got one word correct. We... that we haven't found Arthur. I want you to find him. 223 00:23:49,160 --> 00:24:02,040 I will find him. Tell him I'm... I'm sorry. It's okay. It's okay. It was like he said to me, 224 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:09,960 Peggy, I don't know about Arthur. I'm so sorry about Arthur, but I know that you'll find him. 225 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:14,280 Somehow I believe that. I know that we will. 226 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:27,160 Lee Curley Lloyd died in 1991 at the age of 77. He was confident at least in some measure by 227 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:33,880 Peggy's promise to continue searching for Arthur. This is one of only two known photographs of 228 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,320 Arthur Franklin Lloyd. When the picture was taken, Arthur was two years old and blonde hair. 229 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,920 He has blue eyes and would today be 50 years old. 230 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,960 I have to find Arthur. I have to find him to say you have a family. You have someone, 231 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:56,760 not just myself, but all of Curley's family who love you and want you and we want to know you. 232 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,840 When we return, a young woman accuses a spiritual leader of rape. Authorities need your help to 233 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,640 find him. 234 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,640 Tim? This is Julie. What are you doing? It's late. I know. Can you please come get me? 235 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:40,120 Shortly before midnight on September 17, 1992, a young woman named Julie Cooper made an impassioned 236 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:46,360 phone call, a cry for help to Tim Sante, a virtual stranger whom she had met only once 237 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:51,720 when he repaired the satellite dish on the farm where she lived. When can you come pick me up? 238 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,840 Julie had told me bits and pieces of what had gone on, but I'm still not aware of the whole 239 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,840 story. I'm thinking, well, you know, it's no big deal. Nobody's going to catch us. 240 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:11,160 We tentatively set the time for 1.15 in the morning. I drove up to the corner before you get to the 241 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:18,920 road down to her house at 1.13. I waited for two minutes and drove down there. She was crouched 242 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,840 down in the grass with a trash bag full of clothes. 243 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,120 Go, go, go! She was very, very nervous and very frightened. 244 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,640 Julie Cooper told Tim Sante that for 16 years she'd been trapped in a religious cult called the 245 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:46,840 DeCloud family. The family, nearly 30 men, women and children, lived together in a common far removed 246 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:53,480 from the outside world. In some ways, the DeCloud family resembled the branched Davidian sect, 247 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,880 the religious cult led by David Koresh and Waco, Texas. That group lived in a fortified compound 248 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,040 where a two-month standoff of federal agents recently ended in tragedy. 249 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,600 David Koresh's group was just one of an estimated 2,000 religious cults which have 250 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,720 sprung up throughout the country. Many are headed by self-proclaimed messiahs, 251 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,320 ruled with absolute authority. When Julie Cooper finally escaped from the DeCloud family, 252 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,800 she began to make accusations which paint a horrifying picture of life within the commune. 253 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,240 The most chilling allegations focus on the leader of the cult, Nelson DeCloud. 254 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,320 Nelson DeCloud is an ex-police officer from Raytown, Missouri, a suburb of Kansas City. 255 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,000 His family, as he calls his followers, had actually been founded by his father, 256 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:53,560 Forrest DeCloud around 1968. Before Forrest died in 1988, Nelson ascended to the role of spiritual 257 00:27:53,560 --> 00:28:00,520 leader. Soon he moved his followers to an isolated farm in Liberty, Missouri. Nearly all family 258 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,640 members were encouraged to change their last names to DeCloud, literally of the clouds. 259 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,800 Praise the Lord and welcome him into the temple to cloud. Praise the Lord. 260 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:25,240 Today's lesson is from Revelations 13. Open your Bibles please. 261 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:34,680 Nelson thought that he was God's son, not really that he was Jesus Christ, but that he was one of 262 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:41,880 God's sons and that he couldn't do any wrong. And I said unto him, sir, Nelson had a very booming 263 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:48,440 voice. His eyes were like, these are they which came out of blue with a just scarier 264 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,360 robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb. Praise the Lord. 265 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,560 Julie Cooper was just six when her family joined the cult in the mid-70s. 266 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,160 We are the wearer. 267 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Julie claims she eventually learned that DeCloud expected perverse, almost 268 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,040 depulsive forms of devotion from his followers. Hallelujah. 269 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:18,520 When she was 10, Julie says DeCloud forced her to watch him have sex with a female member of the 270 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,960 family. Thank you. I want you to stay out here for a while. 271 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,560 He asked me to have sex with him and I didn't want to and I didn't. 272 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,800 What I want you to do, Julie, is what God wants you to do. You understand me? 273 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,280 Yes. 274 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:39,320 All right. I guess he was so far into he couldn't do any wrong kind of deal that it didn't matter to him. 275 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,880 Now you listen to me. Do you know how old Mary was when she had Jesus? 276 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,000 14 years old. 14 years old. Now you think about that. There's nothing wrong with that. 277 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,760 If you put me out in this like wooded area, I didn't have any food. I didn't have any 278 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400 jacket or anything like that. When are you coming back? 279 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,960 I'll know when to come back. God will tell me when to come back. 280 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:11,080 According to Julie, she stood in the field alone and shivering for eight hours before Nelson took 281 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:21,720 her back to the compound. Disobedience. There is a sinner amongst us and I am deeply troubled. 282 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:28,120 Julie says that another member of the family was publicly humiliated after she confronted the 283 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,360 cloud about his cruelty. She has chosen to disobey my word. She has chosen to disobey God's word. 284 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,880 He was going to make an example of her in front of me and in front of others. 285 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,920 Conspinance. 286 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,480 That was enough to scare me. He knew that I was already scared. 287 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,280 No! 288 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,600 I felt like it was my fault because 289 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,680 here she tried to stand up for me and I wasn't giving in. 290 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,320 And maybe if I had given in earlier, he wouldn't have done that. 291 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:16,920 He found me, you know, and he says, well, are you ready now? Of course, you know, after all that 292 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,080 had happened, you know, I just said, yes. 293 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,240 Julie Cooper claims she became a virtual prisoner in the compound, forced to serve as one of the 294 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,800 cloud's unwilling sex partners. When she was 15, Julie says she made her first attempt to escape. 295 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,200 After everything had happened to me, everything was going on. I decided to run away, you know, 296 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,160 I just couldn't take any more. 297 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:50,200 Julie's absence did not go unnoticed. Nelson the cloud immediately organized search parties to comb the area. 298 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,120 Julie, you stop right where you are. You hear me, girl? You stay right there. Stop right there. 299 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,080 No, let me go, please! 300 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:16,360 Nelson and another guy came pick me up, handcuffed me and took me back. 301 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,080 I was so scared of him, of what would happen to me. Offer your shoes! 302 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:39,080 According to Julie, she was ordered to disrobe and later she was severely beaten. 303 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,560 Offer your shirt! 304 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:53,880 Nelson switched me and burned my clothes, burned my shoes, and it was like a symbolic thing. 305 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,920 After that, he always kept me with him. I always had to sleep with him in his 306 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,000 bus, in his area. He wouldn't let me out of anybody's sight. I always had to be watched, so 307 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,360 that's one thing that really kept me on edge, you know, and kept me from ever trying to run 308 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:22,360 away because I was afraid someone would see me. Seven more years passed. Julie Cooper remained, 309 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,520 feeling stripped of her freedom and dignity, waiting for one more chance to escape. 310 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:34,840 Then in the fall of 1992, the opportunity arose. At Nelson's request, Julie contacted a 311 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:41,320 satellite dish repairman. Numerous calls followed until finally Tim Satie made his appearance at the 312 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:49,240 DeCloud Commune. As I pull into the driveway, I see several cars. I see a lot of kids running 313 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,080 around and the first impression that I get is that this has to be some type of party. 314 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,680 Sister Julie, could I interrupt you just a second? This is Tim. He's the man from the 315 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,960 satellite company. When I got into the office, I guess I sort of more or less recognized Julie's 316 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,280 because I had built up a report with her on the telephone in the weeks preceding to me coming 317 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:18,360 up there and doing the service call. Julie was very meek in as much as she wasn't 318 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:25,240 as outgoing as she was on the phone, that she seemed stifled or held back because of some 319 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:34,280 other reason than anything obvious. Brother Nelson, this is our brother in God, Nelson DeCloud. 320 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,240 Nelson, I'd like for you to meet Tim. When Tim was introduced to Nelson, 321 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,680 he didn't show him any respect. He didn't think of him as anybody or anything. 322 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:52,040 And that made me feel good. It made me feel like I could trust in someone. I could actually 323 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,800 talk to this person and he could understand me. Over the next couple of weeks afterward, 324 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:04,200 I'd asked her out for a date and she seemed like she was willing but was not, 325 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,720 that there was something that was holding her back. Well, he had asked me out and of course I 326 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,080 could told him that I couldn't go and I couldn't go for a year, you know, wouldn't be able to get 327 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,720 out for a year. And that was just the way of putting him off and seeing if he was willing to 328 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,120 go on with trying to wear me down. In the course of our conversations on the phone, we had, 329 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:29,160 she had come up with a plan that she would need to sneak out at night undetected. 330 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,760 I called him up and I said, I want to go tonight. We made a time at 1.15 in the morning. 331 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,960 Yeah, sure enough, 1.15 hit. He was there. 332 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:52,840 Go, go, go! After I left, I was afraid they would take me back. They would beat me, 333 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,720 do something to my mom. I'm still afraid that he is torturing my mom in some way for what I've done. 334 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:10,040 At dawn, Nelson DeCloud went looking for Julie, allegedly masquerading as police officers. 335 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,560 Nelson and another family member drove to Tim's auntie's address. 336 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,440 Hey, hey, where's Julie? 337 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,800 What? Where is Julie? Who's Julie? 338 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,120 Fortunately for Julie, the address belonged to Tim's brother, Ted. 339 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,560 Tim and Julie, just a few yards away, sound asleep in the house next door. 340 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,040 Where are you guys? Where are the police? Not getting for Tim. 341 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,200 Are you going to war or something? Are you going to war, pal? 342 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,120 Where is Tim? Where is Tim? 343 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,200 Hey, we just got to get out of here. All right, take it. 344 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,240 You better get the hell out of here! 345 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,880 The next day, Ted came out to me and said, what the hell is going on here? 346 00:36:52,760 --> 00:37:01,880 Two strange people had come into his home looking for me, like I was a criminal or something. 347 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,040 They won't let me leave. 348 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,400 And that's when Julie had told us the whole thing of what was going on. 349 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,480 Why did you want to run away? 350 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,120 She had also alluded to the fear that any man that was physically able from that group would 351 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,560 probably come and try to get hurt. 352 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,040 And they raped me and I can't stay there anymore. 353 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,440 That's when we decided to put restraining orders against anyone who was physically able to abduct her. 354 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520 I never want to go back, ever. 355 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,680 When you first get out, you feel kind of, you don't know what you are to do or, you know, 356 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,720 how to stop things. And that was just the first step for me, just to keep them away. 357 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,720 Because I knew they had brought people back before they had gone away and beat them and stuff. 358 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,960 And I was afraid something like that would happen to me. 359 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,000 Last Thursday, I called my friend Tim to come pick me up. 360 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,480 Detective Dwayne Weirzma of the Clay County Sheriff's Department had long been suspicious 361 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,200 about the cult. 362 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,400 When he brought Julie Cooper in for questioning, she provided a detailed and harrowing account 363 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,760 of her entire childhood. 364 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,640 I was abused. 365 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640 I believed Julie from the beginning. 366 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,480 Abused, what type of abuse? 367 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,280 We had a hard time trying just to focus on the charges of rape at the time, 368 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,160 because there were so many other things that could have been, he could have been charged with. 369 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,760 Before an arrest warrant could be issued, Nelson the Cloud ordered the women and children to load 370 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,600 their possessions onto four converted buses. Nelson then took them away from the commune. 371 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,640 The other men departed a week later, and the Cloud family has not been seen since. 372 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,560 It's not an everyday occurrence where you come up on a religious group led by 373 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,120 such a powerful individual as Nelson the Cloud. 374 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,640 We believe they're still together because Nelson feeds off the power of being in control of a group. 375 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,120 If he doesn't have the group, then he has no power. 376 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,240 I want Nelson to get caught because it's not fair to anyone else that's up there. 377 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:26,360 My mom and dad, they need to know that he isn't the Messiah. 378 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,960 He can't do things on his own and think that he can get away with it. 379 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,520 He's not above that. 380 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,480 He's a criminal. 381 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,840 What he was doing was wrong. 382 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,680 After a broadcast, several viewers from San Angelo, Texas, a small town 500 miles from the Cloud's 383 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,240 old headquarters in Missouri, called to say they had seen the Cloud's wife in the area. 384 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,040 The Count had apparently settled in this farmhouse. One state and local agents converged on the scene. 385 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,040 The Cloud kicked out the screen of the upstairs window in an attempt to escape. 386 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,960 And the deputies approached him and he tried to wrestle with a few of them briefly. 387 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,400 There were so many law enforcement officers, though, that he didn't, that didn't last very long. 388 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,720 They put the handcuffs on him and escorted him out of the building. 389 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,800 Nelson the Cloud was booked at the local county jail and later extradited to Liberty, Missouri, 390 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,040 to stand trial on four criminal counts, including forcible rape and sodomy. 391 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,600 Since the arrest of Nelson the Cloud, other former members of the group have come forward 392 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,320 wanting to testify about things they witnessed when they were members of the group. 393 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:50,440 Nelson the Cloud is currently out on bail thanks to $25,000 raised by followers. 394 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:56,120 A trial is scheduled for November 16, 1993. If convicted on all charges, 395 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,080 Nelson the Cloud could spend the rest of his life in prison. 396 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,760 I feel confident now that I can have a normal life 397 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,280 after seeing him caught knowing that it can be done. 398 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,400 For Julie Cooper, her long ordeal is almost but not quite over. 399 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,000 She still has to testify to Cloud's upcoming trial. 400 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,960 However, this courageous young woman has already found a happy ending to her story. 401 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,480 Last summer, Julie became engaged to Tim Saddy, the man who helped her escape. 402 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:49,000 Next, a dramatic reunion. A woman finds her long lost best friend who helped her overcome the trauma 403 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,640 of polio. 404 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,320 Recently, we featured the moving story of Judy Davis, who was stricken with polio as a young girl. 405 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,480 Judy was searching for her best childhood friend, Becky Terry. 406 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:17,080 The two girls had been wrenched apart back in 1958 when Becky's family moved away. 407 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,520 Judy and Becky had met on their first day of junior high. 408 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,160 To the other students, Judy, with her braces and crutches, was an unnerving sight, 409 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,640 and she was often the object of curious stares. 410 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,440 But one girl was different. One girl offered Judy the precious gift of unconditional friendship. 411 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,960 Hi, I'm Becky. Can I help? 412 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,320 Thanks. 413 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,840 Well, where from are you at? 414 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,520 The letter said 102. 415 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,640 That is the same one I meant. 416 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:56,200 Becky's friendship to me meant that I was able to be accepted by the other students in the school, 417 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:04,840 and it made me feel like I was more like everyone else, and that there was no difference between us. 418 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:12,280 And at the age of 12, that meant a lot, and it still means a lot. 419 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:20,120 During our special live broadcast last winter, Judy waited anxiously at her home in Tucson, 420 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:26,440 Arizona, hoping that Becky would be found. To everyone's joy, they were reunited by phone 421 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,280 while the program was still on the air. 422 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,120 Oh, I'm so glad I found you. 423 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:41,400 Three months later, Becky and her husband flew from their home in West Virginia to meet Judy in Tucson. 424 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,960 If he hadn't stopped, I jumped out anyway. 425 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,120 I seen her sitting in that yard, and I couldn't wait to see her. 426 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:04,040 Finding Becky and telling her what she meant to me was really important, 427 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,080 and I didn't want life to end without being able to tell her that. 428 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,600 She hasn't changed that much. Maybe we're a little fatter, you know, but we love each other. 429 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,280 We'll say good friends. Yeah. 430 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,800 That's the one thing I always loved about Becky. She accepted me for the way I was, and I still feel that way. 431 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,840 Happily, Judy and Becky's reunion had unexpected postscript. 432 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,920 As girls in junior high school, they shared a very special friend. His name was David Major. 433 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,000 David had first been Becky's boyfriend, then later on Judy's. 434 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,960 During our live broadcast, David contacted our telecenter and left his phone number. 435 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,600 On the day of their reunion, Judy and Becky just had to call him back. 436 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,880 I'll bet you never guess who this is. 437 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,080 Uh, no. Judy Davis. Judy, don't mind that. 438 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:00,520 Yeah! 439 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:01,740 Yeah! 440 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,920 I'm just fine. Becky and I are sitting here having our reunion for the... 441 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,460 Yeah? 442 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,800 Yeah, it's great to hear your voice. 443 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,640 Oh, really? 444 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,120 You've changed a little? 445 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,240 Oh, you're not? 446 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,800 Well, that's all right, honey. Neither am I. 447 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,040 I can't believe this. The two girls have taught me how to kiss. 448 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:28,600 Oh, my God. 449 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,760 Yeah? 450 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,960 Now the circle was at last complete. So the two girls who taught David Major how to kiss 451 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,040 took their husbands out to celebrate the renewal of a very special friendship. 452 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,400 I'd like to propose a toast to old friends. 453 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,160 And new ones. 454 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,280 Yeah, and new ones. 455 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:14,920 Thank you for joining us and please join us next time for another edition of Unsolved Mysteries.